Sunday, July 29, 2007

JAYS-CHITOWN: J.O. SHOWS WHO SHOULD BE OUT OF A J-O-B

Sunday -- Jays 4, Sox 1: It's never a fait accompli, but Shaun Marcum vs. a lineup that had Jerry Owens, Álex Cintrón and his sub-.600 OPS and Rob Mackoviak among its first five hitters comes pretty close. On balance, though, Marcum and Curtis Thigpen are now 2-0 working together as a battery, although they have been touched up for four home runs.

Ex-'Spo Javier Vázquez was hardly touched until that four-run eighth (which started with Thigpen working a full-count walk). He was just out there an inning too long -- kind of like Marcum two starts ago at Yankee Stadium. Anyway, a win is a win. One out of three vs. this Chicago team is pretty thin gruel.

Saturday, 7 -- Sox 2, Jays 0: Honestly, the bile isn't rising to the tip of one's throat tonight. Roy Halladay threw a complete-game loss, getting beat when the fearsome Jerry Owens (pictured) jerked a decent pitch out for his first career homer.

It happens across 162 games, although it's weird how the Jays end up losing on a homer by a guy who's getting to play every day despite his Jason Phillips-like .562 OPS -- that's his on-base average plus his slugging percentage -- is really no shock. It's just another indictment vs. the manager and his hitting coach.

Josh Towers -- someone had to say it, but it shouldn't be the No. 5 starter -- had the horse and cart in the right order during his little rant when he said, "I don't think that we consistently show up as a coaching staff and as a team." (Emphasis mine.) Judging by the number of routine outs Buehrle got tonight -- and which Javier Vázquez should get tomorrow to complete a sweep -- the Jays look like a team which doesn't really prepare to have professional at-bats. Any group of qualified major-league hitters, and the Jays are that, can jump on a hanging curve or a fastball left up in the strike zone. It takes a bit more prep work to be ready to get something off a good pitcher such as Mark Buehrle who's on his game. Considering it was his second time facing the Jays, it's only reasonable for a fan to expect a better showing.

(And yes, for the a-hole anonymous commenter, this is written with the full realization I "have no idea." Rule No. 1, put your name behind it if you're going to personally attack the writer's knowledge and intelligence. That's why your comment came down, plus you're probably stupid and ugly. If there was a Stupid And Ugly Award, you'd win.)

That's on John Gibbons and his coaches, especially Mickey Brantley. No one should have been fooled by that five-game roll. Everything returns to its own level eventually in baseball.

(Jays Nest and The Tao of Stieb have more on Towers' rant.)

Sunday, 2 -- Sox righty Javier Vázquez (8-5, 3.71, 1.09 WHIP) vs. Shaun Marcum (6-4, 3.87, 1.18): Vázquez had way too easy a time last time vs. Toronto (eight shutout innings). He's on a roll and just beat the Tigers and Red Sox, so half-expect the Jays to step up like they often do against a good pitcher. This presumes Vázquez isn't traded in a deadline move.

Friday -- Sox 4, Jays 3: Lesson learned for any friends who figured, five-game win streak and all, that the Jays reel off another six vs. the White Sox and the Rays.

It's all too easy to forget that a team will always drop one in spite of itself, or due to John Gibbons. No one minds Gibby personally, but he is a Goober sometimes. Brian Tallet coming in to present a one-run lead when he's pitched only in hopelessly lost games and blowout wins for the past month? What was that?

Anyways, some evenout was due after that five-game roll, so we're not going to step on to the anger bridge just yet. Incidentally, can someone memo Jamie Campbell that it's rather rube-ish to keep referencing over warning-track flyouts? Any ball that the outfielder has time to camp under is still a routine out, no matter where he catches it.

That's all for now. Send your thoughts to neatesager@yahoo.ca.

7 comments:

sager said...

Rule No. 1: Put a name to it or don't say it at all.

All qualified major-league hitters can take advantage of a pitcher who's struggling or makes what's a bad pitch at that level.

It takes good preparation and coaching to have success vs. a good pitcher who is on his game, like Halladay was last night.

Your comment is coming down.

Tyler King said...

This team plays fine if Vernon Wells isn't terrible, if Frank Thomas hits for power, and if the Johnson/Ryan/Overbay/Zaun/Glaus/Burnett injury train is at least slightly less horrific. I don't see how you can credit Gibbons for any of those.

Call Gibbons out for being completely unable to manage a bullpen, or manage rest days, or anything of that sort of visible type. But to make the jump that "the team is underperforming, thus Gibbons is a bad manager", is fallacious.

Vernon Wells hit just fine under Mickey Brantley last year. Practically the whole team did. Why now is it Mickey Brantley's fault that Wells et al are now underperforming? What should he be doing that he's not doing?

sager said...

The question is what can be divined from the outcome Brantley is getting, since that is what is knowable to us as fans. The Jays have pretty much underperformed for 100-plus games and certain players seem to be getting out on the same pitches. (Witness Rios striking out on a slider down and away vs. Vázquez in the sixth inning with a runner on 3rd and two out.)

Remember, Brantley was Gibbons' choice to be hitting coach. He had a big hand in his hiring. If Brantley falls down on the job, doesn't that reflect on Gibbons?

The Jays were fifth in the AL runs scored in '05 and slipped to seventh in '06. Now they're 11th — behind the Royals and Devil Rays. For a team with their payroll, that's not cuttin' the mustard.

Anonymous said...

Is fallacious a word?

The Jays were a bit unlucky in the White Sox series in that they faced 3 top notch starters ( Buerhle, Garland & Vazquez, yes Vazquez, he is having an excellent year ). They didn't get to face either of the 2 White Sox starters who are struggling, Contreras most notably and Danks.

Good news for the D Rays series however, the Jays will miss Kazmir and Shields, both having excellent seasons, it's baseball, it evens out over the course of the season.

As for Mickey Brantley, I think coaching at this level is overrated. The 2 biggest underperformers for the Jays this season at the plate are Wells and Thomas. How many career AB's do these guys have combined? I'm not gonna look it up but my point is that these vets have been elite hitters in the past - for long, long, periods - and to blame a coach for their sub par performances is unfair to the coach.

On the subject of assembling a coaching staff, Billy Martin said something along the lines of " get 5 guys you like to drink with and a 6th to who'll stay sober and drive everybody home ". That's not even close to verbatim but I think his point was the same as mine, that coaching at the big league level isn't that crucial. Real coaching happens in the lower minors. Ted Lilly didn't give a crap what Brad Arnsberg thought, how's Lilly doing this season?

sager said...

Excellent pitchers (and yes, Vazquez is having a very good year, his WHIP's down around 1.10), for sure, but the Sox got seven runs the whole series and won 2 of 3...

The nature of coaching certainly changes at the level we're talking about here... Brantley's more like a middle-management supervisor, making sure Wells and Thomas are working on making adjustments and pulling themselves up. The Jays still remain mired in the bottom third of the league in production. Usually, when that happens in the business world, a shake-up happens.

(Of course, I know even less about being in the business world than being in the baseball world.)

Anonymous said...

The stories of this Jays season are 1. injuries 2. very disappointing offense 3. McGowan, Marcum, Jansenn & Accardo.

I lay the blame for # 2 squarely on Thomas & Wells.

If Brantley is largely to blame for the poor offense is Arnsberg largely responsible for the development of the aforementioned 4 pitchers?

Anyway, Gibbons and Brantley are soon gone if for no other reason than to appease the faithful. Godciarrdi need something to sell this offseason and a new Manager will probably be at the forefront. I suspect a vet with big league and post season experience, it will play well in the media.

sager said...

Far as we know, Arnsberg should get some of the credit.... a pitching coach seems to have more impact on his guys at the major-league level than a hitting coach does.

Ultimately, Pete here is probably right... it's hit the point where it's enough said about Gibbons and Brantley. The newspaper guys are starting to write that Gibbons won't be back in 2008. Ken Macha, anyone?